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November 5th 2008, 03:28 PM
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Homer-in-training
Join Date: Aug 2005
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Stu
BB is a favorite target of critique. The facts are what they are as well....BB's record without Tom Brady isn't that great.
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Tony Dungy's record without Manning is 54-42 with a playoff record of 2-4.
Before Montana, Walsh had 2-14 and 6-10 seasons.
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November 5th 2008, 05:57 PM
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#242
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Fully Inbred Angry Troll
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Indianapolis
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plato90s
Tony Dungy's record without Manning is 54-42 with a playoff record of 2-4.
Before Montana, Walsh had 2-14 and 6-10 seasons.
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Are you agreeing with me???? The QB is more important or are you defending BB?
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November 5th 2008, 06:20 PM
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Desperate Factoholic
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 1,996
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Stu
Put Brady in ANY other uniform, he would have found a way to see the field and dominate it.
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November 5th 2008, 07:44 PM
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#244
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Forgotten Amnesiac
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 9,044
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Stu
Any player that may go down as the best QB of all time doesn't need a coach to make him. He just needs a chance. For a long time I considered Brady lucky. I have come full circle. The guy's heart and football IQ is what made the man....not BB. Did BB help? Big time, but Brady would have eventually made Wayne Fontes look good. Put Brady in ANY other uniform, he would have found a way to see the field and dominate it.
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Undoubtedly.
But put him in the Oakland Raiders with Art Shell and they probably win 5 games all year? Maybe?
Who knows?
The point is that as good as he is, and I consider him to be one of the greatest to ever play this position, BB may well have been the perfect foil for his talents.
Frankly, no one will ever know and, 3 Superbowls later, I really don't care. I love them both equally and consider myself lucky to have had them both in the employment of my favourite NFL team during my lifetime.
The debate will be going on a long time after both of these guys have, as Belichick would say, been fitted for their Hall of Fame jackets.
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November 5th 2008, 08:09 PM
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#245
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Cranky S.O.B.
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: New England
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Quote:
Originally Posted by uknepatsfan
The point is that as good as he is, and I consider him to be one of the greatest to ever play this position, BB may well have been the perfect foil for his talents.
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Well, if we think about TBs first season as a starter, he wasn't a world-beater, but he was put in an offense that was solid enough to keep him standing up, given a playbook that focused on high percentage plays like screens & slot passes and paired with a defense that was good enough to keep the opposing team out of the end zone. Also, the coach had enough faith in him to keep him starting even after the popular and talented first string starting QB was ready to come back.
Wade Philips would have given him the Flutie treatment. Al Davis would have hung him out to dry with no O-line. Marvin Lewis wouldn't front a defense that could allow him on the field long enough to develop.
So you'd have to say that it is a symbiotic relationship between QB & coach.
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November 5th 2008, 10:57 PM
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Homer-in-training
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 5,629
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Disco Stu
Are you agreeing with me???? The QB is more important or are you defending BB?
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I'm saying that even good coaches like Dungy and Walsh don't look so good without their HOF-quality QB.
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November 5th 2008, 11:14 PM
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Angry Bolts Troll
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern Cal
Posts: 3,068
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Plato90s
I'm saying that even good coaches like Dungy and Walsh don't look so good without their HOF-quality QB.
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But of course not, who does. That said, I'll say this, if the pats get to the post season and advance beyond the 1st round, I'll give kudos up to BB.
All things considered, I think it would be warranted.
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November 6th 2008, 03:22 PM
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CHFF Pick 'Em Champ '09
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,984
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Originally Posted by BoltsFan
But of course not, who does. That said, I'll say this, if the pats get to the post season and advance beyond the 1st round, I'll give kudos up to BB.
All things considered, I think it would be warranted.
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I'm guessing your 'kudos' will be the defining accolade of Bill's career.
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November 6th 2008, 09:56 PM
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Angry Bolts Troll
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Southern Cal
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Well cool. I'm just happy to be able to contribute to BB's illustrious legacy.
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