Invasion of Poland, 70 years ago today

[Music Man]

Originally Posted by pöplikid

"You know, I love living in the US. Even a person as nutty as this gets a voice."

I actually live in Australia because people like you made me so sick of living in "Murka" that I got the f*ck out and I now view your horrific dystopia from half a world away with shame and...shame.

The government here is far more representative than the House Of Lords style of rulership y'all've got back home with y'all's Senate and Electoral College, and they even properly call it a "republic" here, which is what y'all've got back home 'sceptin y'all call it a "democracy," 'scept one person's word means about as f*ck all as a fart in a hurricane.

So, as a still "Murkin" who's chosen to live a better (and fully insured by the state) life Down Under, may I be the first to say:

F*ck you and the hoss you rode in on, dootchbag!

Cheers and Go The 'Tahs!!!

I have far more respect for you as you have actually left the country you are complaining about and chosen an alternate location to live. Glad that you actually have stuck to your guns. I would have much more respect for you if you didn't come across with such bile on every response to every post.

Your charity work, if it is really what you do, is admirable. I'm very sorry that in spite of all of the "good" you do, you seem to be VERY short-tempered with anyone that disagrees with you. I simply hope that side of you is kept to a minimum when you are being a magnanimus example to those you are serving. We certainly have seen a different side of you here in the States.

[dasbow]

Originally Posted by hardright

It is amazing how these threads get hijacked sometimes. I'm as guilty as anyone at doing that, though with this thread, it had already been hijacked before I got involved.

It wasn't hijacked so much as it was douchebagged. I can't really put my finger on how or when it happened. Just another Intertubes Mystery.

[greenjet]

The OP insured the thread would be 'jacked.

[jimmykid4657]

Originally Posted by hardright

It is amazing how these threads get hijacked sometimes. I'm as guilty as anyone at doing that, though with this thread, it had already been hijacked before I got involved.

Dude, i just went through and read most of this thread and I gotta tell you ... i got no idea what the hell is going on here.

[dasbow]

Originally Posted by jimmykid4657

Dude, i just went through and read most of this thread and I gotta tell you ... i got no idea what the hell is going on here.

You're the worst poster ever...

[ed52]

What the hell's going on down there?

[Ryan]

So.

How many Polacks does it take to derail a thread?

[hardright]

Originally Posted by dasbow

You're the worst poster ever...

You guys wanna get high?

[ed52]

Originally Posted by Ryan

So.

How many Polacks does it take to derail a thread?

Teutons or Slavs?

[Ryan]

'Two tons' is correct!

This would comprise the sum body weight of any ten of my maternal relatives!

[12NFLChampionships]

Hitler was first and foremost a nationalist. But he was also a socialist. He put the German people back to work by instituting massive public works programs and military spending. The German Communists were tools of the Soviets. Communism is also known as "scientific socialism". Nazism was socialism with a German face. The Eastern Front was a struggle between German Socialists and Russian Socialists. The U.S. and the U.K. did much to aid the Russians in WWII. Ukraine, which was the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, was under German control for the better part of 3 years. It seems to me that the Red Army and the Russian people would have starved to death without outside help. I haven't studied deeply in this area. I will ask my Russian friends and I ask for your help. There is no doubt that the Russians did most of the heavy lifting in WWII. I have seen the figure 20 million dead bandied about, but I understand that may only be counting the military.

[ed52]

Originally Posted by 12NFLChampionships

Hitler was first and foremost a nationalist. But he was also a socialist. He put the German people back to work by instituting massive public works programs and military spending. The German Communists were tools of the Soviets. Communism is also known as "scientific socialism". Nazism was socialism with a German face. The Eastern Front was a struggle between German Socialists and Russian Socialists. The U.S. and the U.K. did much to aid the Russians in WWII. Ukraine, which was the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, was under German control for the better part of 3 years. It seems to me that the Red Army and the Russian people would have starved to death without outside help. I haven't studied deeply in this area. I will ask my Russian friends and I ask for your help. There is no doubt that the Russians did most of the heavy lifting in WWII. I have seen the figure 20 million dead bandied about, but I understand that may only be counting the military.

The number I hear is...of the estimated 90 million killed as a result of WWII, 24 million were Russian/Soviet.

[Leather Helmet]

Originally Posted by 12NFLChampionships

Hitler was first and foremost a nationalist. But he was also a socialist. He put the German people back to work by instituting massive public works programs and military spending. The German Communists were tools of the Soviets. Communism is also known as "scientific socialism". Nazism was socialism with a German face. The Eastern Front was a struggle between German Socialists and Russian Socialists. The U.S. and the U.K. did much to aid the Russians in WWII. Ukraine, which was the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, was under German control for the better part of 3 years. It seems to me that the Red Army and the Russian people would have starved to death without outside help. I haven't studied deeply in this area. I will ask my Russian friends and I ask for your help. There is no doubt that the Russians did most of the heavy lifting in WWII. I have seen the figure 20 million dead bandied about, but I understand that may only be counting the military.

Isn't it ironic that the current " stimulus package " for the United Socialist America's ", is largely centered around re-paving every highway in sight, and providing discounts on economical little people movers, like Hitler's favorite, the original Volkswagen (" Peoples Wagen "), to the masses.

The Russian Army, in it's retreat to Moscow, torched every crop, and killed every livestock animal in the Ukraine, to deny the Germans these resources.
The American Lend-Lease program ( giveaway ), provided everything from soup to nuts to the Russian's, thru their northern port of Murmansk, while the Russians moved their heavy industry away from the German advance, and re-established their industrial base beyond the Ural mountains, out of reach of the German bombers. Russia surely would have fallen without Comrade Roosevelt's help. (At the end of the Cold War, it was found that Roosevelt had a Russian agent as one of his closest advisors ).

It's been estimated that as many as ten million of Russia's losses in the war , were the result of Stalin's purges, and the Red Army Commissars policy of shooting any Russian soldier who did not advance in the face of the enemy.

The four dictators ( I include Roosevelt and Churchill ),all divine socialists at heart, had one thing in common. They would allow no dis-agreement with their rule, and in the name of patriotism, security, and the war time emergency, suppressed all dissent. ( remarkably similar to the current efforts to denigrate the talk radio industry, and limit election year free speech.)

Unfortunately, for those who forget history ( 9/11? that's ancient history),
it does repeat itself, with a vengeance.

[Haap54]

Does anyone lknow what the spread is on the next Germany-France matchup?

[Music Man]

I don't know, but I'm betting the house on Germany. The French haven't surrendered in about 50 years, they can't wait.

[vanya6724]

When and where did this ridiculous idea that the Nazis were "leftists" start gaining currency in America? You may as well say the sky is green. The facts are pretty simple and not in dispute - every single person in the entire world in 1932, and 1939, both right and left, saw Hitler as a nationalist conservative. Go read the newspapers and books from that time. Learn why people like Prescott Bush admired the Nazis. Until they made the stupid mistake of starting a war, the Nazis were rather admired by right-wing politicians in the UK and the US, the Soviets were not. The Catholic church in the 1930s saw the Nazis, Mussolini and Franco as bulwarks against Communism. The Croatians and Slovaks, both devout conservative Catholics, fought with the Germans in WWII for that very reason. The Nazis never abolished private property and tried not to alienate big business - that in and of itself is a huge huge difference between National "Socialism" and Soviet Socialism. The Nazis did not believe in an all powerful state - they believed in the "Volk" as the highest organizational principle of human beings, and the state was just the instrument of the Volk's will. That's a huge philosophical difference with Communism even if both philosophies did result in tyranny. If American Conservatives have a hard time identifying with Hitler it's partly because American Conservatives are no longer conservative by any traditional measure. Free market individualism is basically a liberal creed from the 19th century that is anti-family, anti-Church, and anti-tradition. Ironically it is America where we only have a choice between liberal ideologies - the free market individualist interventionist ideology of Bush/Limbaugh and the modern GOP vs. the government regulated, ethnic group based distributionist ideology of the Democrats.

[Blackmallard]

Originally Posted by vanya6724

When and where did this ridiculous idea that the Nazis were "leftists" start gaining currency in America?

You can also read here how the Republican party pushed through the Civil Rights bill and how Martin Luter King Jr. was Republican.