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The view from behind Favre has paid dividends
August 3, 2011
Cold, Hard Football Facts for August 03, 2011

Lets take a quick look at why John Schneider (current GM of the Seahawks and former personnel analyst for the now world champion GB Packers) might not be as big a bonehead in shuttling Matt Hasselbeck out the door as most would have you believe. We all know that judging talent is sometimes like throwing a beer into the crowd.  Sometimes you're the bigger man and come out ahead, sometime you lose the respect of your peers and get clobbered.  Maybe, just maybe, Schneider knows what he's doing.

 

Are the 'Hawks throwing in the towel before  the 2011 campaign begins?  In a winnable division?  Check that, in the worst division in football?  

 

First, MH8.  Former probowl QB, former superbowl QB, all around baldy. The Seahawks are stupid not to have paid their franchise for the last ten years in favor of Tavaris Jackson, right?  Tennessee is obviously hoping that MH8 has enough juice in the tank to recapture the glory of his early career in Seattle under MH-The Walrus. The best part of Matt's career was largely predicated on 3 steps back and hand off to all world running back Shaun Alexander to carry the load to the tune of 87 touch downs in number 37s best 5 years.  Establish the run to set up the pass; an age old axiom.  And Matt was able to ride that to a few pretty good years (anyone else notice that Seattle's suspect running game in recent seasons has corresponded with their mediocre performances?).

 

The Titans must feel as though Matt can both drop back three steps and hand off to all world RB Chris Johnson and set up enough passing offense that young Jake Locker will be mentored in how to be the NFL QB everyone thought he would be two years ago (last year, well, not so much as his accuracy tumbled and his TD to INT ratio skewed to the latter).  

 

Can Matt really be a great mentor to Jake Locker?  

 

Let's move back to John Schneider.  He was that personnel analyst with the enviable job of not having to think about finding someone to replace that invincible, game loving, charming, small town boy at the QB position  (I've moved myself back to the nineties here, a carefree time when all the world only saw the good in super Favre). At the time, backing up BF4 was the easiest job in football- did these guys ever have to launder their uniforms?  (I'm sure I heard Madden make that same joke about 40 times watching him and Summerall on Fox).  Schneider did however have to think about the unenviable task of finding someone to back up Mr. Invincible 

 

*Note-JS was employed by the Packers from '92-96 and again from 2002-2010 so there is a bit of a gap in the timeline here. Stay with me though....

 

**Note: I know the personnel analyst answers to the GM and probably doesn't make real big decisions, but Schneider must have been damn good at it, 'cause he's a GM at 38 and you're not.

 

Who did Favre 'mentor?' Let's remove the first couple of years of his starting career, because he wasn't teaching anyone how to do anything except how to throw across the field to spectacular results, how to throw across the field with disastrous results, and how to celebrate TDs running with helmet in hand- boyish exuberance to spare.

 

 

1994, Mark Brunell: Drafted by the Packers in 1993 (5th round) and traded after his rookie season.  Brunell won't make the HOF, but he did lead the young Jacksonville Jaguars to the AFC championship game in '98 and '99. He also made 3 probowls.

 

1995, Ty Detmer and Jim McMahon.  Ty Detmer left the Packers after this year and became a starter for the Eagles and 49ers. Not bad for 9th round pick.

 

1996, Jim McMahon and Doug Pederson.  McMahon was just looking good in shades and while Pederson didn't go on to light up the league, he did start for the Eagles and Browns in '99 and '00.

 

1997, Steve Bono.  A short career, for sure, and he came to Green Bay after flashes of brilliance in KC (a 13-3 record in 1995)

 

1998, Doug Pederson

 

1999-2000, Hasselbeck.   A 10 yr starter for the Seahawks. 

 

2001-2004.  By now, everyone know that Favre could not and would not be injured enough to keep him from starting every....single... game.... This gave analysts and casual fans alike much to talk about, while true fans bemoaned and cheered the throws across the field both to spectacular and disastrous results.  Pederson largely held back up duties during this time.

 

2005-2007.  He of the championship belt celebration. The arrival of Aaron Rodgers.  Fin.

 

2008, Kellen Clemens with the Jets

 

2009-2010- Tavaris Jackson

 

Ok, it hurt me too to think about Favre for that long, but bear with me. There's method to the statistical madness.  

 

We throw out Jim McMahon because that wonky shoulder and his age meant that he wasn't going to legitimately going to start again.  Lets' also leave out Jackson, as it remains to be seen if he will succeed. That leaves seven QBs that were 'mentored' (watched from the sidelines- clean uniform and clipboard in hand) by Favre- Brunell, Detmer, Pederson, Bono, Hasselbeck, Rodgers, Clemens.  Four of those men went on to be starters in the NFL (to varying degrees of success, of course).  Here's the math: 4 out of 7 is 57% of the backups during Favre's years did okey dokey.

 

Back to the Seahawks:  here are the men who Hasselbeck 'mentored.'  The also-bald Trent Dilfer had already won his ring with the Ravens, but there is also: David Greene, Seneca Wallace, Charlie Frye, Jeff Rowe, Mike Teel, JP Losman, and Charlie 'Definitely not Bald' Whitehurst. 

 

Not quite the same statistical winning as the old warrior, Favre.  Not a single one of these guys has gone on to win a starting role or revive their careers by watching Hasselbeck.

 

So is John Schneider a fool for reuniting former 2nd round pick Jackson with his former OC Darrell Bevell?  That remains to be seen, of course, but taking the 57% chance that Jackson learned something while watching Favre vs the reality that a rookie QB taken in any round in this years draft is going to get crushed under the weight of work and DEs in the NFL in such shortened preparatory season makes it a chance worth taking.  

 

As for the Titans, Hasselbeck and Jake Locker?  Well, Jake is signed for 4 yrs and $12 million.  

 

Oh, and for fun- these are some guys that backed up Kerry Collins:  Frank Reich, Jack Trudeau, Kent Graham, Jason Garrett (yes, that one), Jesse Palmer, Marquis Tuiasosopo, Vince Young.  Not too many yellow jackets in that gang either.

 

I'm not saying that Seattle's move is not risky but the reality is that Hasselbeck has a bad back, bad hips, and is the quarterback of the 2 previous regimes.  Pete Carroll and the Seahawks are showing true cajones by taking this chance now in a division that might just send another 7-9 team to the playoffs.

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